#Resource Francesca Albanese It seems that the states control the enterprise, but very often, and de facto is the other way around, is that the company, being them in the army industry or in often oil companies, are more influential than states themselves, like governments themselves, and us, as electoral bodies, as citizens, including in the democratic system. So this is the scenario that also Palestine is revealing. Of course, there have been member states with whom I've engaged that I've said, but so where do we draw the line without making the entire system, like a jenga tower, collapse on our head? And I say, don't worry. Wait a second, breathe, because I'm not saying that again, is a close, it's like the zero waste movement that I was referring to. “And this is why it's not, I would go as far as saying, it's not capitalism per se that I'm questioning. It's unfettered capitalism. Capitalism and markets that know no rules, that are able to sustain themselves and keep citizens embroiled into criminal activities, even when the crime, the crimes are ostentatious. In the name of profits hidden by neutral, the claim of neutrality. You see what I mean? And I think that we need, for me, the country you brought in to the equation, Congo is a good one because it's an excellent one, because I say, look at Congo.” From The Big Picture with Mohamed Hassan: Francesca Albanese exposed a global "economy of genocide", then she was sanctioned, 10 Jul 2025 https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-big-picture-with-mohamed-hassan/id1666342531?i=1000716715606&r=2306 This material may be protected by copyright.